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Post by deadguydrew on Dec 5, 2009 17:33:21 GMT -5
My Gaw is pretty fucked up, can we hold off on the fleet attacks long enough for me to get some Dopps for it, and to repair it? I don't feel comfortable using in combat with the damage it took.
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Post by Kale on Dec 5, 2009 21:18:42 GMT -5
Considering the situation in the rest of the world, I think we're planning to hold off on the Atlantic attacks.
At this point there's still an ongoing discussion about that on the officers forum, but I think it's about time to start filling people in on this side of the commission line. This is by no means finalized, and there are about four or five posts following this in the thread, but here's what I proposed we do next week with East Asia and Europe. Please, anyone who reads, feel free to chime in.
1) We have Excelsior, Dragon and Stilva form a fleet Monday and attack the Baneblade Squadron *. That way all three will be grouped if Nigel Ferdinand tries to paradrop in. The fleet buys 2 x air support, and lays waste to the tanks.
Following that, they head back to Malta for repairs and to provide for its defense.
2) We send a cursory amount of RP to Malta to repair its facilities this week. With the three Gaws stationed there, I imagine it's going to be fine for one more paycheck cycle. The action really is in East Asia.
3) Part of the 2339 RP (assuming we can gather it all) is transferred to Duncan Keystone on Monday. He uses that to buy 1 x Gaw, 1 x L3 captain, 8 x Dopp, and 2 x flight support on Tuesday. The rest can go into a savings fund for Marina's Jukon.
4) Duncan Keystone paradrops the 87th Integrated Fleet with a single mission: absolute devastation. With that number of Dopps, and the Gaw's power and not-being-fscked-up compared to their fleet, they will be trashed almost without question.
On the same day, the Africa Korps guys (having moved into East Asia Monday) attack the Black Hawk. We have Manila sally forth, and combined, you all should absolutely crush the land ship.
Following the breaking of their siege, the East Asia defenders who can will scurry into Manila **. Chris will purchase his Jukon if he can. Maybe we could even try and get the Morrigan into Manila instead of up to Central Asia. We'd do the same with Duncan's new Gaw.
While I appreciate the assistance with the Morrigan, I don't know if it's in too much trouble just yet. It can do emergency repairs (I assume) Monday, while Chris and I Overwatch. Since there aren't any able bodied Federation PCs to attack us Monday, we should be alright. Tuesday, we can order it right back across the border into Central Asia. If it does get attacked by the one eligible PC (Aurem) that might actually be for the better. We'd draw her away from the land battleship, and make it all that easier for you to destroy.
* I vote for having them group into a fleet Monday, rather than Excelsior simply high tail it to Malta, for ensured defense. If it's alone, Nigel could paradrop in and try and finish it off. If it's in a fleet with 2 x flight support, even if Ferdinand does try to pursue, he's dust in the wind in about five or six seconds. As for the Baneblade Squadron attack itself, I'm not too familiar with the units, but I don't believe they have the ability to target flying craft effectively. Even so, I think we should request the Excelsior hangs back and does what it does best (with ten to fifteen Dopps hanging around it for fire support, maybe), while the Dragon and Stilva deliver the primary blows to the enemy.
** Chris has proposed an alternative idea: which is basically to boot scoot to Central Asia, instead of holding up in Manila. He doesn't want to spend too many more resources in the area, especially with the Federation personnel and RP might working against us. I think Matthew voted for the Manila option, though.
Personally, I'm in favor of devoting the people to East Asia, but not anymore RP. Last week's paychecks went to taking Malta, this week's RP could go to defending Manila, but the following several weeks need to be devoted to building up a force ready to siege Belfast.
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Post by gaplant on Dec 5, 2009 21:31:25 GMT -5
In theory the A-1's can hit Gaws and other flying craft, although as Kale said the effectiveness is probably not all that awesome.
We're gonna need to buy at least one Dodai YS for Dragon so Markos Steiner can participate in the battle without getting murdered. I see this getting ugly for our forces, though, even if we do win. Those tanks are nasty.
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Post by Kale on Dec 5, 2009 21:49:25 GMT -5
Would it be better to simply not land the ground troops? Two Gaws + 16 Dopps + 2 x flight support (maybe 1 x Dopp, 1 x bombers?) shouldn't have that much trouble against those tanks. Especially since the Excelsior screws up their ability to target and coordinate real good, and at the same time improves ours.
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Post by gaplant on Dec 5, 2009 22:12:05 GMT -5
They're probably in a pretty tight formation and they have 360 degree firing angles. Anything trying to attack them from medium / close range (Ender's Gouf) is going to be in fairly big trouble, I seem to remember it taking several Zakus in OYW MK III to take down even one. What sucks is we don't really have a "bomber" flight support option. =( Dopps aren't even going to be able to hurt the things, probably, it's going to take Gaw bombs and MPC's as far as our flying options go. planetzebes.net/archive/oyw3/majorevents.htmlThat seems like a pretty good example of Admiral A-1's even though it's old. They are also, apparently, immune to 120mm machinegun rounds according to their description on the forums. I dunno, we pretty much have a ton of Magellas and a couple good Zaku II K's between the two Gaws, as well as the Gaw payload of bombs and mega particle cannons. I'm just saying, I'm scared of it getting ugly. Those things are terrifying D:
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Post by Zero on Dec 5, 2009 22:25:17 GMT -5
Sheesh. Can we just put the gaws in a high overhead pattern, like way in the sky, and have them fire MPC's down at those tanks? They can fire 360 degrees, and they are all-range but if we hit them with maybe flight support or artillery support while the Gaws bombard we might be able to take most of them out with taking minimal damage.
For some reason I keep wanting to use Gaw's like AC-130's. I'm probably thinking of them wrong, I can't even remember Gundam well enough to know how the Gaw is actually supposed to function but I really don't know what to do in terms of support, the Dopps aren't going to be able to do much.
Attack Helis maybe?
Or go for 2 Artillery Supports and just bomb the ever living fuck out of them maybe?
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Post by Kale on Dec 5, 2009 22:35:02 GMT -5
Artillery support may, indeed, be the best way to go. Or the gunship heli idea. I didn't realize how resilient those machines were. Still, against three Gaws (one an L2 prize itself), it'd be pretty broken if they managed to ruin the entire fleet...
While I'm not familiar with the AC-130s, Gaws in MSG are used as giant carpet bombing machines during the events preceding the Battle of Jaburo. Considering we have the Excelsior's targeting suite available to help us, I could definitely see them just going to a high altitude and dropping an incredible amount of ordinance on the general area of the tanks. Afterwards, we could use artillery support to further hammer their positions, providing cover fire as the Dragon and Stilva descend and pick off any survivors with their MPCs.
We could also stock the Dragon and Stilva with Dodai YS, if necessary. Those are the closest thing we've got to real bombers.
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Post by Zero on Dec 5, 2009 22:48:06 GMT -5
AC-130 is a gunship, more-so, it's a C-130 cargo plane refitted with weapons.  Edit: I don't even remember where the weapons on a Gaw are located lol.
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Post by Kale on Dec 5, 2009 22:59:35 GMT -5
lol @ the image.
Anyways... I was looking over the Federation roster, to research our discussion on the officers' forum about what to have Manila's forces doing Monday... and I stumbled upon this little nuisance:
If they purchase a Himalaya (or other ship) in their friendly territory Monday, they can move it to East Asia that same day, and join the fleet Tuesday. That would absolutely demolish any plans we have of airdropping Duncan into East Asia.
So, I don't know. What do you guys think? Instead of trying to hobble together one final staying action at Manila, do you think it's time to cut our losses and head to Malta in preparation for Belfast?
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Post by Zero on Dec 5, 2009 23:08:52 GMT -5
I posted my opinion on the Officer Board.
Also, if I understand Chan's proposition, he suggests high-altitude massive FUCK YOU carpet bombing of the Admiral A-1's via high altitude Gaw, using the Excelsior to disrupt their targetting and improve our own.
Edit: Chan also recommends having some sort of air support for the Gaws, because Gaw's need it. (Ala Dopps) and says "Always prepare for the unexpected"
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Post by Kale on Dec 5, 2009 23:22:10 GMT -5
That's my thinking. We'll have 24 Dopps between the three Gaws Monday. I'd be happier with 29. So perhaps 1 x artillery support, 1 x flight support?
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Post by Zero on Dec 5, 2009 23:26:09 GMT -5
Sounds good.
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Post by Draco on Dec 5, 2009 23:41:25 GMT -5
I think using our Gaws to hit the Admiral A-1 group is a great idea. Other than a stationary cannon on the front, they should have nothing that can hit a high-altitude bomber.
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Post by ender on Dec 5, 2009 23:54:11 GMT -5
I'm all for stocking up on some Dodai YS's for the Gaws, mainly because for the mop up, I'd need one for my Gouf to fly on down. We need to stop those A-1s though, before we get to Belfast. Those would be the biggest pain in the ass.
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Post by deadguydrew on Dec 6, 2009 1:32:41 GMT -5
I'm still expressing concern if the A-1s can aim at us, but I'll go with the flow. Just paranoid that we'll lose the Excelsior before we can really abuse its abilities since its currently at "heavy" damage, and only has one Dopp ATM.
Edit: Also we can load up the Gaws with Dodais or Gunships instead for better anti-tankage.
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