Post by Kale on Dec 8, 2009 10:42:33 GMT -5
We sort of discussed this in the other thread, but I wanted to do a more detailed analysis of what we could possibly field at Belfast by next week. I'm just gonna post the data right now. When I get done with class and napping later tonight, I'll add more (though replies in the interim are greatly appreciated).
What We Could Field
Dobday (L4/L4)
- Infantry (4): [Ritter Team: L5 Panzergrenadiers, L5 Panzergrenadiers x 1], 2 x L2 Marines
- Vehicles (12): 12 x L2 Magella
- MS (8) + MA (1): [Aldo Team: Dom S, L6 Dom x 2], [Persepone Team: Zaku II Manipulator, L6 Gouf], [Duncan Team: Gouf, L5 Zaku II K, L4 Rhinocerous], [Markos Team: Gouf]
Jukon (L4)
- Infantry (1): L2 Marines x 1
- MS (2): L4 Gogg x 2
Jukon (L3)
- Infantry (1): Marines
- MS (2): L3 Gogg, [Xavier Team: Z'Gok]
Gaw (L4)
- Infantry (2): L3 Marines, Marines
- Vehicles (6): 2 x L2 Magella, 2 x L4 Magella, 2 x Magella
- Aircraft (8): L4 Luggun, 3 x Dopp, 4 x L3 Dopp
- MS (6): L3 Zaku II K, L4 Zaku II K
Gaw (L4)
- Infantry (2): L2 Marines x 2
- Vehicles (6): L2 Magella x 4, Magella x 2
- Aircraft (8): L3 Dopp x 5, Dopp x 3
- MS (6):
Gaw Recon (L4)
- Infantry (1): Marines
- Aircraft (8): 7 x Dopp, L2 Dopp
Other
- [Ando Team: Zaku II S]
- [Till Team: Zaku II K, L3 Luggun, L3 Zaku II J]
- [Marko Team: Dowadge, L3 Dom x 2, L4 Zaku II J]
- [Noelle Team: Dom]
- [Ota Team: Gouf, L3 Gouf x 2]
- [Rhett Team: Zaku II K+Dodai, L4 Gouf+Dodai, L3 Zaku II G+Dodai]
- [Ferusha Team: Zaku II F, L3 Zaku II F]
- [Xavier Team: Z'Gok]
2 x Flight Support
- 10 x Dopp
Ships: Dobday (L4/L4), Jukon (L4), Jukon (L3), Gaw (L4), Gaw (L4), Gaw Recon (L4)
--------Total: 6
MS: Dom S (PC), Dom (L6), Dom (L6), Zaku II Manipulator Type (PC), Gouf (L6), Gouf (PC), Zaku II K (L5), Rhinocerous (L4), Gouf (PC), Gogg (L4), Gogg (L4), Gogg (L3), Gogg (L3), Zaku II K (L3), Zaku II K (L4), Zaku II S (PC), Zaku II K (PC), Zaku II J (L3), Dowadge (PC), Dom (L3), Dom (L3), Zaku II J (L4), Dom (PC), Gouf (PC), Gouf (L3), Gouf (L3), Zaku II K+Dodai (PC), Gouf+Dodai (L4), Zaku II G+DOdai (L3), Zaku II F (PC), Zaku II F (L3), Z'Gok (PC)
--------Total: 32
Aircraft: [Gaw: L4 Luggun, 3 x Dopp, 4 x L3 Dopp], [Gaw: 5 x L3 Dopp, 3 x Dopp], [Gaw Recon: 7 x Dopp, L2 Dopp], [Till Team: L3 Luggun], [Flight Support: 10 x Dopp]
--------Total: 32
Infantry: L5 Panzergrenadiers, L5 Panzergrenadiers, 2 x L2 Marines, L2 Marines, Marines, L3 Marines, Marines, L2 Marines x 2, Marines
--------Total: 11
Vehicles: 12 x L2 Magella, 2 x L2 Magella, 2 x L4 Magella, 2 x Magella, 4 x L2 Magella, 2 x Magella
--------Total: 24
Purchases Required
--------RP Potential: 4999 RP
Dodbay (1000), L3 Captain (200), L3 Gunner (200), Marines x 2 (20), Magella x 12 (240) = 1660
Jukon (700), Marines (10), L3 Gogg x 2 (600) = 1310
Jukon (700), L3 Captain (200), L3 Gogg x 2 (600) = 1200
(Gaw), 3 x Dopp (60), Marines x 2 (20), Magella x 2 (40) = 120
(Gaw), Magella x 2 (40), Dopp x 2 (40) = 80
(Gaw Recon) - Dopp x 2 (40), Marines (10) = 50
2 x Flight Support (200 RP) = 200
--------Total Spent: 4920 RP
What We Are Up Against (Courtesy of Matthew)
Stationed Defenses Breakdown
Total Mobile Suits - 3x lvl3 GMPGT (Hangar), 6x lvl2 GM G (Hangar), 3x lvl2 Guntank MPT (A) (Hangar).
Total Ground Support – 9x lvl2 Marines (Hangar), 1x lvl3 Marines (Hangar), 1x Marines (Bhatan), 12x Fanfan (Hangar), 3x Bloodhound (Hangar), 24x lvl2 Type 61 (Hangar), 4x Type 74 (Hangar).
Total Flight Support – 10x lvl2 Tin Cod (Hangar), 10x lvl2 Fly Manta (Hangar), 4x Depp Rogg (Hangar), 4x Dish (Hangar), 10x lvl2 Tin Cod (Alp), 8x lvl2 Fly Manta (Alp), 3x lvl2 Don Escargot (Alp), 5x Depp Rogg (Alp), 1x lvl2 Dish (Glen), 1x lvl2 Don Escargot (Glen).
Total Ship Support – Bhatan (lvl6/5 Big Tray), Alp (lvl3 Himalaya), Glen (lvl2 Hillock), Donatello (lvl3 Medea), Leopold (Medea B Type).
Defense Summary
Base Defenses - 15x AA (anti-fighter machinegun), 8x SAM (anti-fighter missile launcher), 3x Torpedo (anti-sub torpedo launcher), 6x Cannon (ground to ground cannon turret), 6x MPC (anti-mobile suit mega particle cannon), 2x Howitzer (A) (anti-siege artillery turret).
Mobile Suits - 3x GMPGT (ground combat mobile suit), 6x GM G (ground combat mobile suit), 3x Guntank (ground artillery mobile suit).
Ground Support – 11x Marines (ground infantry), 12x Fanfan (anti-infantry ground unit), 3x Bloodhound (anti-infantry ground unit), 24x Type 61 (ground battle tank), 4x Type 74 (ground detector unit).
Flight Support – 20x Tin Cod (aerial combat fighter), 18x Fly Manta (ground suppression bomber / fighter), 9x Depp Rogg (heavy air / ground bomber), 4x Don Escargot (multipurpose / ASW fighter), 5x Dish (aerial detector unit).
Ship Support – 1x Big Tray (land battleship / hovercraft), 1x Himalaya (naval carrier), 1x Hillock (naval battleship), 1x Medea (aerial carrier), 1x Medea B Type (aerial repair vessel)
By the Numbers
Mobile Suits – 12x ground mobile suits.
Ground Support – 26x infantry / infantry+ units, 28x tank / tank+ units.
Flight Support – 56x aircraft / aircraft+ units.
Ship Support – 1x land vessel, 2x naval vessel, 2x aerial vessel.
Quick Thoughts
- We absolutey would destroy them MS-to-MS. We have significantly more experience per unit, and nearly three times as many suits. Tech-wise, they've got some nice GM Gs, and three GMPGTs, but those aren't nearly a match against stuff like our Doms or the Rhinocerous.
- Infantry we are certainly lacking on. Numbers and experience belong to them, handily.
- Vehicle-wise, we're about even in terms of numbers. They've got the experience advantage.
- Flight support is also bad for us, if you just measure it in terms of aircraft. However, we've got the Gaws, which help us out immensely. Experience is in their favor, but we've got some pretty experience Dopps peppered amongst the ranks. Considering our firepower, I think the air belongs to us.
- Ships are no contest. Aside from that Big Tray, we are superior to them in every regard. Our Gaws cut through the Himayalas and Hillocks nicely, as we've seen in previous events.
- Tactically, if we scout the base, we really have a favor here simply because of the Excelsior.
- It may be worthwhile to redirect some funds into the Goggs. Two of them with Ace pilots were pretty effective at hammering away on Belfast in the show, and gave Amuro a run for his money. We've got 2 x L4 Goggs on one Jukon now, thanks to Marina. If we got rid of one Gogg from the other ship, and replaced it with Xavier, we'd have an extra 300 RP. That's 200 that could go into one Gogg to bump its pilot up to L4 (and L5, again thanks to Marina). So we'd just need to come up with another 100 RP to get 2 x L5 Gogg.
I think we could take them, honestly. The reason I'd like to see this plan accelerated is that we no longer have Manila to distract the Federation. They could jump up to Europe the moment they're done repairing, and end this for us here and now.
That's all for now from me.
What We Could Field
Dobday (L4/L4)
- Infantry (4): [Ritter Team: L5 Panzergrenadiers, L5 Panzergrenadiers x 1], 2 x L2 Marines
- Vehicles (12): 12 x L2 Magella
- MS (8) + MA (1): [Aldo Team: Dom S, L6 Dom x 2], [Persepone Team: Zaku II Manipulator, L6 Gouf], [Duncan Team: Gouf, L5 Zaku II K, L4 Rhinocerous], [Markos Team: Gouf]
Jukon (L4)
- Infantry (1): L2 Marines x 1
- MS (2): L4 Gogg x 2
Jukon (L3)
- Infantry (1): Marines
- MS (2): L3 Gogg, [Xavier Team: Z'Gok]
Gaw (L4)
- Infantry (2): L3 Marines, Marines
- Vehicles (6): 2 x L2 Magella, 2 x L4 Magella, 2 x Magella
- Aircraft (8): L4 Luggun, 3 x Dopp, 4 x L3 Dopp
- MS (6): L3 Zaku II K, L4 Zaku II K
Gaw (L4)
- Infantry (2): L2 Marines x 2
- Vehicles (6): L2 Magella x 4, Magella x 2
- Aircraft (8): L3 Dopp x 5, Dopp x 3
- MS (6):
Gaw Recon (L4)
- Infantry (1): Marines
- Aircraft (8): 7 x Dopp, L2 Dopp
Other
- [Ando Team: Zaku II S]
- [Till Team: Zaku II K, L3 Luggun, L3 Zaku II J]
- [Marko Team: Dowadge, L3 Dom x 2, L4 Zaku II J]
- [Noelle Team: Dom]
- [Ota Team: Gouf, L3 Gouf x 2]
- [Rhett Team: Zaku II K+Dodai, L4 Gouf+Dodai, L3 Zaku II G+Dodai]
- [Ferusha Team: Zaku II F, L3 Zaku II F]
- [Xavier Team: Z'Gok]
2 x Flight Support
- 10 x Dopp
Ships: Dobday (L4/L4), Jukon (L4), Jukon (L3), Gaw (L4), Gaw (L4), Gaw Recon (L4)
--------Total: 6
MS: Dom S (PC), Dom (L6), Dom (L6), Zaku II Manipulator Type (PC), Gouf (L6), Gouf (PC), Zaku II K (L5), Rhinocerous (L4), Gouf (PC), Gogg (L4), Gogg (L4), Gogg (L3), Gogg (L3), Zaku II K (L3), Zaku II K (L4), Zaku II S (PC), Zaku II K (PC), Zaku II J (L3), Dowadge (PC), Dom (L3), Dom (L3), Zaku II J (L4), Dom (PC), Gouf (PC), Gouf (L3), Gouf (L3), Zaku II K+Dodai (PC), Gouf+Dodai (L4), Zaku II G+DOdai (L3), Zaku II F (PC), Zaku II F (L3), Z'Gok (PC)
--------Total: 32
Aircraft: [Gaw: L4 Luggun, 3 x Dopp, 4 x L3 Dopp], [Gaw: 5 x L3 Dopp, 3 x Dopp], [Gaw Recon: 7 x Dopp, L2 Dopp], [Till Team: L3 Luggun], [Flight Support: 10 x Dopp]
--------Total: 32
Infantry: L5 Panzergrenadiers, L5 Panzergrenadiers, 2 x L2 Marines, L2 Marines, Marines, L3 Marines, Marines, L2 Marines x 2, Marines
--------Total: 11
Vehicles: 12 x L2 Magella, 2 x L2 Magella, 2 x L4 Magella, 2 x Magella, 4 x L2 Magella, 2 x Magella
--------Total: 24
Purchases Required
--------RP Potential: 4999 RP
Dodbay (1000), L3 Captain (200), L3 Gunner (200), Marines x 2 (20), Magella x 12 (240) = 1660
Jukon (700), Marines (10), L3 Gogg x 2 (600) = 1310
Jukon (700), L3 Captain (200), L3 Gogg x 2 (600) = 1200
(Gaw), 3 x Dopp (60), Marines x 2 (20), Magella x 2 (40) = 120
(Gaw), Magella x 2 (40), Dopp x 2 (40) = 80
(Gaw Recon) - Dopp x 2 (40), Marines (10) = 50
2 x Flight Support (200 RP) = 200
--------Total Spent: 4920 RP
What We Are Up Against (Courtesy of Matthew)
Stationed Defenses Breakdown
Total Mobile Suits - 3x lvl3 GMPGT (Hangar), 6x lvl2 GM G (Hangar), 3x lvl2 Guntank MPT (A) (Hangar).
Total Ground Support – 9x lvl2 Marines (Hangar), 1x lvl3 Marines (Hangar), 1x Marines (Bhatan), 12x Fanfan (Hangar), 3x Bloodhound (Hangar), 24x lvl2 Type 61 (Hangar), 4x Type 74 (Hangar).
Total Flight Support – 10x lvl2 Tin Cod (Hangar), 10x lvl2 Fly Manta (Hangar), 4x Depp Rogg (Hangar), 4x Dish (Hangar), 10x lvl2 Tin Cod (Alp), 8x lvl2 Fly Manta (Alp), 3x lvl2 Don Escargot (Alp), 5x Depp Rogg (Alp), 1x lvl2 Dish (Glen), 1x lvl2 Don Escargot (Glen).
Total Ship Support – Bhatan (lvl6/5 Big Tray), Alp (lvl3 Himalaya), Glen (lvl2 Hillock), Donatello (lvl3 Medea), Leopold (Medea B Type).
Defense Summary
Base Defenses - 15x AA (anti-fighter machinegun), 8x SAM (anti-fighter missile launcher), 3x Torpedo (anti-sub torpedo launcher), 6x Cannon (ground to ground cannon turret), 6x MPC (anti-mobile suit mega particle cannon), 2x Howitzer (A) (anti-siege artillery turret).
Mobile Suits - 3x GMPGT (ground combat mobile suit), 6x GM G (ground combat mobile suit), 3x Guntank (ground artillery mobile suit).
Ground Support – 11x Marines (ground infantry), 12x Fanfan (anti-infantry ground unit), 3x Bloodhound (anti-infantry ground unit), 24x Type 61 (ground battle tank), 4x Type 74 (ground detector unit).
Flight Support – 20x Tin Cod (aerial combat fighter), 18x Fly Manta (ground suppression bomber / fighter), 9x Depp Rogg (heavy air / ground bomber), 4x Don Escargot (multipurpose / ASW fighter), 5x Dish (aerial detector unit).
Ship Support – 1x Big Tray (land battleship / hovercraft), 1x Himalaya (naval carrier), 1x Hillock (naval battleship), 1x Medea (aerial carrier), 1x Medea B Type (aerial repair vessel)
By the Numbers
Mobile Suits – 12x ground mobile suits.
Ground Support – 26x infantry / infantry+ units, 28x tank / tank+ units.
Flight Support – 56x aircraft / aircraft+ units.
Ship Support – 1x land vessel, 2x naval vessel, 2x aerial vessel.
Quick Thoughts
- We absolutey would destroy them MS-to-MS. We have significantly more experience per unit, and nearly three times as many suits. Tech-wise, they've got some nice GM Gs, and three GMPGTs, but those aren't nearly a match against stuff like our Doms or the Rhinocerous.
- Infantry we are certainly lacking on. Numbers and experience belong to them, handily.
- Vehicle-wise, we're about even in terms of numbers. They've got the experience advantage.
- Flight support is also bad for us, if you just measure it in terms of aircraft. However, we've got the Gaws, which help us out immensely. Experience is in their favor, but we've got some pretty experience Dopps peppered amongst the ranks. Considering our firepower, I think the air belongs to us.
- Ships are no contest. Aside from that Big Tray, we are superior to them in every regard. Our Gaws cut through the Himayalas and Hillocks nicely, as we've seen in previous events.
- Tactically, if we scout the base, we really have a favor here simply because of the Excelsior.
- It may be worthwhile to redirect some funds into the Goggs. Two of them with Ace pilots were pretty effective at hammering away on Belfast in the show, and gave Amuro a run for his money. We've got 2 x L4 Goggs on one Jukon now, thanks to Marina. If we got rid of one Gogg from the other ship, and replaced it with Xavier, we'd have an extra 300 RP. That's 200 that could go into one Gogg to bump its pilot up to L4 (and L5, again thanks to Marina). So we'd just need to come up with another 100 RP to get 2 x L5 Gogg.
I think we could take them, honestly. The reason I'd like to see this plan accelerated is that we no longer have Manila to distract the Federation. They could jump up to Europe the moment they're done repairing, and end this for us here and now.
That's all for now from me.
