Kale
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Post by Kale on Feb 10, 2010 18:27:58 GMT -5
I would like your permissions for Aldo to kill the 08th MS team. Their value is well beyond 1000 side RP, and I have in character reasons to see them scalped.
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Post by Chris on Feb 10, 2010 19:01:33 GMT -5
I am trying to discuss this with Ketara as well... I want to see if we have options... I agree their value is more than 1000rp. I want to look into possibility of returning only a few of them, or, returning pilots and keeping suits, or what we have available to us. I will get back with you on this though. I would like Xavier and Aldo to RP an interrogation/execution XD
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Post by Kale on Feb 10, 2010 19:04:19 GMT -5
Was hopin' you'd say that, about the RP.
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Post by Frenzy on Feb 10, 2010 19:07:24 GMT -5
Wasn't the whole point of the attack to keep the 08th out of our hair come Odessa?
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Kale
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Post by Kale on Feb 10, 2010 19:14:20 GMT -5
Yep.
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Post by Chris on Feb 10, 2010 19:44:46 GMT -5
Ugh... Xavier isn't really for disobeying orders... If it had said ZMF, or TAF... Xavier would kill them in an instant... Ketara is dirty :-p
As far as acquiring their gundams, I got a maybe... Really can't ask for more in return for them... and ransom is just for the people not the mobile suits.
Look at it though, it subtracts 1000rp from feds side RP, and gives it to us... I feel thats almost worth 2000rp, and with Odessa coming up soon, might be worth considering, plus an epic battle between Shiro and Aldo later on. :-p
Proposal to Kale...: RP Aldo interrogating Shiro, beating him, etc... and will have Xavier interrupt just before you kill him, explaining that Aldo is to stand down, that Gihren has instructed they be carried to Lhasa, ransom has been negotiated etc. Add a little bit of a chemistry to Xavier and Aldo, little bit of friction, etc. And give Aldo a real reason to hunt 'Devils"
What do you think? o.O
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Post by Kale on Feb 10, 2010 20:10:56 GMT -5
Looking at this from an OOC standpoint, 1000 RP in our hands and 1000 RP out of the Federation's is still a shit deal, compared to the release of that many ace pilots back into their ranks.
It'd also kind of make this entire operation pointless, considering -- as Frenzy said -- we came here to slit their throats. It'd also be nice to actually kill some NPCs, since Matilda and Woody escaped in South America.
In character, I don't think I can make your idea work. In the same way you wouldn't let Marina pilot a Gaw for the sake of convenience, Aldo wouldn't sit back and let the SS trade Shiro and his team for a little RP. It'd be that way even if Hugo didn't die. Of course, with Hugo dead, it's so much more that way... for srs.
What do you want to do? Your choice, since one way violates my character's backstory, the other yours.
If we release the 08th MS team to Lhasa, Aldo basically has one of two character options: a) leave the Zeon military in disgust; b) attempt to kill the 08th MS team himself, and get executed in the process. Sucks, but it may have to be that way.
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Post by Chris on Feb 10, 2010 20:14:39 GMT -5
Ugh... it wouldn't be first time Xavier stepped over a line for whatever reason... I need to think on it... jus found out coworker of mine is pretty much to point he only has 2-5 days left to live... had cancer and is losing the battle...  |
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Post by Kale on Feb 10, 2010 20:17:48 GMT -5
Well, don't fsck Xavier on my account. I love my Basterds, and won't violate their RP sanctity, but you've put more into Xavier and Marina than I've managed to contribute to Aldo and Donny and Hugo. Plain as that.
If it comes down to it, I'm okay with what I listed above. I don't mind RPing Aldo's execution, or his desertion. Playing a rogue would really, really suck though. So it'd probably have to be execution.
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Post by Zero on Feb 10, 2010 21:33:08 GMT -5
Or how about the SS just smacks Aldo and waltz's off with their prisoners leaving Aldo with a grudge against the SS. I don't really see any reason for downright desertion of Zeon because of the SS or for your character to get executed.
But hey whatever floats your boats.
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Post by Chris on Feb 10, 2010 21:42:49 GMT -5
Executing the 08th, epic Xavier-Aldo RP coming soon!
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Post by Frenzy on Feb 10, 2010 22:03:46 GMT -5
Don't see why you'd need to die Kale, knock off a chunk of VP over something like this.
Sometimes it pays to make decisions on an out of character basis. And if that doesn't do it for ya, surely they'd realize handing skilled pilots back over to the enemy would be a bad idea.
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Post by Kale on Feb 10, 2010 22:18:35 GMT -5
Based on Aldo's character, if the 08th MS team were traded back, simply shrugging it off isn't an option. If, as Zero suggested, he was slapped in the face -- he'd leave, or retaliate in a fashion that would warrant execution. Normally, I've stressed trying to fudge character requirements if it's tactically sound, but this would be a fundamental issue with the character that could not be resolved. And it would be done for reasons that are not tactically sound.
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Post by Frenzy on Feb 11, 2010 0:29:13 GMT -5
I just don't see the benefit in an action that would screw us over for the sake of staying in-character. Besides, there's one option you seem to have missed - don't kill Shiro, merely, ah, "mark" him by using that knife to do something non-fatal to him, but something he can't forget about or have removed. Or just beat the crap out of him. The terms said that they have to be alive - they didn't say "unharmed", and you can always make up some BS story about how he tried to make a run for it or some shit.
After all, killing folks wasn't the only way the Basterds got things done. It's also worth noting that the guerrillas aren't really part of the 08th MS team, so I'm guessing nobody would miss them.
Maybe it's just my play style - after all, my actions are more often dictated by the out of character long-reaching needs.
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Post by Kale on Feb 11, 2010 0:42:57 GMT -5
It's pretty simple stuff, rooted in the base of Aldo's character. He kills Feddie. He believes in killing Feddie because it is justice. If the Feddie who killed his man go free, he no longer believes in Zeon.
I don't mind taking liberties with my characters on quite a few issues. Hell, I shrugged off the writers portraying Hugo as a cocky sum'bitch because it didn't really matter. Even incorporated a bit of it into my second RP post. But some principles are, simply, at the core of a character and cannot be dismissed. This one happens to be the sin qua non of Aldo, or whatever.
As for marking them, it might work if it were a single 08th MS Team member. Not the entire team.
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