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Post by Ketara on Feb 27, 2010 0:52:53 GMT -5
So, I have discussed with my staff and we feel this is fair.
Sean has not spent nor transferred a single point of RP the entire game. He is the only player out of 65 who has played like this. For a while he owned one of the EFSF mines, and never sent nor spent any of the proceeds from that either.
At this point he's sitting on nearly the price of a Magellan, and it is hurting the EFSF that they cannot use this.
Unfortunately, by the normal rules I can't fault a player for behaving this way, but the circumstances of this case are so severe that we're going to do something abnormal.
Sean / Issa Kobayashi is hereby on trial, for refusing to play with the rest of his team. Everybody can vote on whether or not they think it is fair to reprimand him for this.
If the Yes votes get a 2/3rds majority of EF players (19 votes) then he will be reprimanded the following ways:
1 - He will be demoted 1 rank.
2 - All of his RP will be split amongst the EFSF Officers.
3 - He will be Jailed on Luna II for 4 days.
Discuss!
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Post by nirvash on Feb 27, 2010 0:54:42 GMT -5
I don't like that 3rd clause
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Post by dj1678 on Feb 27, 2010 1:08:43 GMT -5
I'd like to hear something from Sean/Issa Kobayashi and the rest of the EFSF before I cast my vote.
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Nomad
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Post by Nomad on Feb 27, 2010 1:22:55 GMT -5
I'd like to hear his case first, but if he punished, here is my 2 RP on each punishment:
1.This is a fair punishment.
2. A little extreme. Would be better if you took some of his rp and then just set a quota for him to fulfill each month
3. I am against this option as we need everyone for Odessa. Perhaps after the event?
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Post by latooni on Feb 27, 2010 1:23:33 GMT -5
I have several conflicting opinions.
As a member of the game's staff, I feel that yes, he is badly hurting the EFSF and the game balance needs to be fixed so it doesn't default at Odessa.
As an officer of the EFSF, I want to slap his ass in the brig for being secretive and uncooperative. I almost sent in an action for our own NPC units to capture his ass a few days ago in fear of possible defection.
As a fellow player in the RPG, I totally understand why he feels he doesn't just want to be an RP battery, or a mindless grunt; I understand why he wishes to ignore orders he doesn't like. I even support his actions in a way; aside from the fact he hasn't RPed...like at all to explain his actions.
As a ruleslawyer, I'm well aware and point out the clause in the rules about rank, saying that there is no condition we can FORCE him to play along, you cannot pull rank. (Though NPCs sure can.)
As a realist, I have to admit, arrayed against both the moonfucks (god I love that) and unfriendly pirates, we do not currently stand much of a fucking chance. For thursday's update, if we lost any more signifigant ships, I was prepared to resign right then and there, honestly.
I have not voted yet, and I submit these thoughts for you all to consider yourselves. I will be probably one of the last to vote, because I'm pretty conflicted, and as an officer, I feel it's more my job to help guide you guys to the result you want rather than actually decide things for you.
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Post by blackmage on Feb 27, 2010 1:26:11 GMT -5
I voted in favor of the measure. Considering that back when the game started when that mine was built by sean it was built with then intention of being rp that the entire EFSF would take advantage of and use.
I'd like to thank of this as back taxes since the mine was considered from the very begining to be owned by EFSF and not one person just as every ship despite who it belongs to in ownership has willingly put thier ship in a fleet and has faught as one group with the EFSF.
EDIT: Apparently the mine was stripped or blown a while back and I never accounted for it in my spreadsheet. So I stand corrected on the issue of the mine. I'm right now conflicted about my vote all together so just ignore mine.
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Post by flession on Feb 27, 2010 3:41:04 GMT -5
I'm voting no unless I hear a better argument for it otherwise. Sure, the Officers could use that RP, and yes, he should be involved in team tactics and everything with his RP instead of hording it, however, he has every single right to play this game how he feels he should. It's for his personal enjoyment, and if he enjoys doing what he does with his RP, then let him do so.
Just ensure he loses control of the mines. As a officer, you should have every right to commandeer it.
And you should also demote him for his lack of participation and assistance with his RP for the good of the cause. And then go arrest him and throw him in. I agree with everything about it.
But this thread should not have been made by Ketara (although I do understand why you made it). There is no "abnormal situation" to this, as he can play however the hell he wants. He should just expect to receive the consequences from the EFSF for this, laid out by the EFSF officers.
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Threid
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Post by Threid on Feb 27, 2010 4:18:55 GMT -5
Echoing what others have said, I'd like to hear what Sean/Issa has to say before casting a vote. Intentions go a long way in determining how a situation should be handled. If he doesn't want to tell us, then he should at least tell Ketara. If Ketara's fine with it, I'd be okay with it too.
That said, his course of action thus far has been puzzling, and the situation has only been exacerbated by his lack of communication through RPs, PMs, or even chat. He either has a big, secret plan to save the world, is an incorrigible miser, and/or joined EF for the salary while really just wanting to play a rogue.
Judging from a few of his recent posts, the guy hardly seems like an asshole, so I'm leaning towards big, secret plan. Though, if the plan turns out to be, "I'm using all this RP to fund a secret project to further my character's interests, which weren't really stated in his profile, but were there all along, trust me," I might be a little pissed - not because that's necessarily a wrong way to OYW, but because he should have been role-playing it.
So, Sean: Please tell us/Ketara your/Issa's story.
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Advocate
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Post by Advocate on Feb 27, 2010 12:35:50 GMT -5
I'm going to have to vote no, because if that's how he wants to play what can we do? We pool our RP to make big purchases but in the end it's just a request for everyone's benefit no one is required to comply.
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Feyd
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Post by Feyd on Feb 27, 2010 12:45:34 GMT -5
I heard he's saving it as an Odessa slush fund which is fine for me.
Let's try not to create divisions among ourselves right before Odessa. Especially since the situation in space does not look that great atm thanks to those silly Space Pirates.
To Summarize:
Sean should disclose more info on his plans, especially to the EFSF officers but we should not create a situation that makes the Gundam possibly go inactive.
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Post by latooni on Feb 27, 2010 18:05:43 GMT -5
I heard he's saving it as an Odessa slush fund which is fine for me. The thing is, space needs to make its purchases well before Odessa. If the money is going to us (and we need it more than ground currently does; you guys are shaping up okay) we'd need it now. |
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Post by latooni on Feb 27, 2010 18:13:05 GMT -5
Just ensure he loses control of the mines. As a officer, you should have every right to commandeer it. He stripmined his mine a while ago without informing anyone. I don't really have an issue with this due to Zeon activity nearby. I just want everyone to be aware of this: Without extra income, we will not be able to hold orbit if Chan arrives. And remember: This is our only chance to mass-kill HLVs and deprive zeon of massive resources once you rout Odessa. Otherwise they have a humongous force in space while we have nothing, since this will leave EFSF weakened. |
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Post by altoh on Feb 27, 2010 18:48:13 GMT -5
I choose to place my heart in Sean's hands. I trust that he will make the right decision when he hears how the situation has changed.
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Post by flession on Feb 28, 2010 0:05:50 GMT -5
Still hardly changes my opinion, Latooni.
Just deal with him appropriately within your capacity as a EFSF officer if he fails to cooperate. No need for votes within the EF. Have a trial within the EF Officer forum, discuss this with them, and then, if you reach a conclusion, enact it: Which should be demotion, time in the brig, and seizure of all his assets.
This is supposed to be the military; let's act like it.
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thomas
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Post by thomas on Feb 28, 2010 2:23:03 GMT -5
Like everyone else, I really want to hear Sean's side of the story before I cast my vote. While I feel like as a member of a military organization (I mean in the roleplaying sense, of course...) he can be punished for not cooperating with his comrades, if he's got some grand scheme behind stockpiling RP, then maybe it's worthwhile.
But it's difficult, considering how absolutely vital that RP could be right now, so I'm leaning towards punishment. Basically, Sean really needs to clue everyone in on his reasoning.
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