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Post by Chan on Jun 27, 2010 20:14:30 GMT -5
One of the other questions we have is: How should we use the SS Operative?
Frenzy and I bounced some ideas around:
- Get Black Leader to board the Agincourt and shoot Tianem in the face. Then leave before he dies on the ship
- Get Black Leader to board one of the Salamis ships, kill the bridge crew, then crash the Salamis into another Federal ship while leaving before the collision.
- Get Black Leader to steal one of the Columbus Transports. Mainly the B-Type.
- Get Black Leader to kill the crews operating the doors of the STS-45 and locking the hangar doors in place by jamming them, thus trapping the Saberfishes inside. Thus Florian can kill it with all of the Saberfish inside.
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Post by kuriboh on Jun 27, 2010 22:54:08 GMT -5
Why not get in the Agincourt, hold Tianem at gun point, take the ship and ransom the fucker back?
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Post by Chan on Jun 27, 2010 23:11:18 GMT -5
A lvl 3 SS operative can't hold off a ship's crew AND 2x Marine squads. Plus the crew's a level 6 with the equivalent CP and Tianem is a lvl 6 named NPC. That's enough to stop Black Leader.
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Post by kuriboh on Jun 27, 2010 23:17:38 GMT -5
Then option one on that list is out too
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Post by Chan on Jun 28, 2010 0:29:49 GMT -5
True, so it's down to Black Leader cockblocking a ship or stealing it.
I think I'm going to go with trapping the Saberfish on the Columbus. It's the easier strategy and it sets up Kuriboh to destroy all of the Saberfish while they are still onboard. We can then keep the three services to plain artillery strikes.
"Black Leader" has optional Panzergrenadier equipment, so he can GTFO after he jams the door close.
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Post by Ravage on Jun 28, 2010 1:17:43 GMT -5
Who says that the operative has to shoot the captain, have him head to the combat bridge in Feddie Marine Gear, drop 3 or 4 grenades into the door, shut it and float away?
Alternative options are a block of C4. You guys should be more inventive in your usage of the operative. Lets replace the captains tie with a tie that has a kevlar thread with a high tech ratchet so when Captain puts on his tie.....he chokes to death. Something like that....
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Post by Chan on Jun 28, 2010 1:27:18 GMT -5
Well he does come with Operative, Black Ops and Terrorist specializations... this gives him a free terrorist service.
I'm game for either of these options. Killing Tianem on his bridge can disrupt the Federal defense enough for you guys to completely manhandle the fleet. I guess it's all a matter of how much we want to gamble on our first deployment of the SS Operative.
Do you guys want to go all in?
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Post by Chan on Jun 28, 2010 2:08:27 GMT -5
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Post by Frenzy on Jun 28, 2010 5:44:36 GMT -5
Can't we just y'know, shoot them until they're dead? Getting too fancy increases the odds that something's going to go wrong and we'll wind up losing Black Leader prematurely.
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Post by kuriboh on Jun 28, 2010 10:52:36 GMT -5
IF we lose him, we're right back where we started, so our net loss is Zero.
UHM. Would the c4 Take out the windows, do you think? Because if it kills every one/thing inside, couldn't he just, you know, commandeer the ship? Possibly to a set rendezvous target where we have marines standing buy in a Komusai?
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Post by Ravage on Jun 28, 2010 12:52:58 GMT -5
Frenzy the problem with your idea is if he goes and puts 4 into the captain, he still has 8-10 other people on the bridge of the ship to deal with, and he's alot more likely to get killed that way then floating away from a C4 bomb....C4 is very reliable, its very very reliable.
As for Kuri, you set off 5 pounds of C4 in the bridge, there isn't gonna be a computer console left (In reality) As far as the RPG goes, i think a better idea along your line would be to have him go and if any consoles are left, he could put the cannons on auto fire and have the Magellan start firing at the Saberfish Columbus, or the Salamis ships in the fleet forcing the feddies to attack themselves.
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Post by Chan on Jun 28, 2010 13:00:01 GMT -5
Okay, so after much thinking, this is how it's going to work:
We're going to go for broke. Our motto so far has been "Who dares, wins".
The three services we will be getting are an artillery support, flight support (4x Marines + shuttle), and a MS Support (3x Zaku II Fs).
The general strategy is for the mobile suits to launch from the ZEF while the fleet is still out of range from Tianem Fleet's weapon ranges. We will be dividing up into the groups Kuriboh mentioned with some changes:
The Mobile Suit groups will be following behind the artillery support wave of missiles. Charlie group will destroy the Columbus transports with long range bits while Able group go after the fleet GMs, Balls, and Saberfish that were able to launch. Dog group is to force an opening so the Mobile Suit teams can carry the battle into the middle of the Tianem Fleet.
The idea is to have the Tianem ships be preoccupied with shooting down the Mobile Suits. The ships of the ZEF are going to stay outside of Tianem's firing range until the attacking Zeon MS are fighting inside the Tianem Fleet formation. Until this happens, the ZEF will be maneuvering themselves to block a possible Federal retreat towards Ohm Fleet. Once the Zeon MS are in, the ZEF will engage to support the mobile suits.
At a decisive point in the battle, "Black Leader" while posing as a Federal Marine will kill Tianem and the bridge crew of the Agincourt with explosives and small arms. Eliminating the fleet commander will create confusion for the Federal fleet and make their defense that much more difficult.
After securing the bridge, "Black Leader" will then radio that his mission is complete. A Komusai full of Panzergrenadiers and the flight service of Marines and assault shuttle will head towards the Agincourt. They will be escorted by the MS Support Service of 3x Zaku II Fs. The Zaku II Fs are to protect the shuttles from Saberfish, Balls, and the AA turrets of the Agincourt
The Bravo group with Caleb's Gelgoog Cannon is also tasked with the protection of the Agincourt capture forces. He will assist the MS Support Service as necessary. His primary target after the shuttles dock with the Agincourt is the elimination of the Salamis Revised-class Nashville if it isn't destroyed by now.
During the takeover of the Agincourt, the other MS Teams will start sinking the remaining Salamis-class ships. Able and Dog are to concentrate on the regular Salamis while Charlie focus on the Salamis Kai-class Warspite and the Nashville.
All Mobile Suit teams must also be careful to prevent any of the other Federal ships from trying to sink the Agincourt.
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Post by Jun Ghettid on Jun 28, 2010 14:53:37 GMT -5
Wouldnt it be easier to have Black Leader blow a hole in the Agincourt to draw off most of the security near that (phony) breach site and have my other two panzer teams take the bridge from the outside?
Hell, if he is in disguise he can call the bridge himself and try to get Tiamen to send all available marines to that site.
I think to have BL try to take the Bridge by himself he wont last that long. At least this way most of the units would survive and could be in a situation to fight there way out.
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Post by Frenzy on Jun 28, 2010 15:28:21 GMT -5
No. No, no, no, no, no...just...no.
I am not risking the fleet for some hare-brained plan that can't work because there are too many marine squads on the ship for it to work.
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Post by Chan on Jun 28, 2010 16:54:15 GMT -5
Glad to have you back with us again Arcaille.
Would it be better for everyone if "Black Leader" tries to take over another ship, like the Salamis Kai-class "Warspite" or the Columbus-class "STS-45"? Aside from the "Black Leader" portion, the rest of the plan is set. The only thing that changes is now Bravo group with Caleb DeGrau will be focusing on destroying the "Agincourt" outright.
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