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Post by Kale on Dec 4, 2009 19:54:39 GMT -5
Gotta make this quick since I'll be heading out for the night at any moment.
Manila is still under siege, but a whole lot of their PCs are broken and beaten and won't be active before Wednesday.
If Stilva and Dragon and Excelsior are in Europe Monday, I suggest we move Dragon + Excelsior to Central Asia. Stilva should engage the Baneblade Squadron with fighter bomber support.
Meanwhile, those troops who can manage (most of us) in East Asia should move to Central Asia Monday. We'll meet up with the Dragon + Excelsior on Tuesday, and airdrop the fleet that very same day. We'll buy flight support and artillery support to smash the Black Hawk so that Aurem (the only PC from the siege today who will be repaired) isn't as big of an issue.
It is imperative we hit them Tuesday. If not, they can retreat to SE Asia HQ on Monday, buy another ship and move to East Asia on Tuesday, and join the fleet Wednesday. Considering their extensive RP advantage, this is something we do not want to see happen.
We should also get the Morrigan back to Central Asia asap, so it can be repaired.
Additionally, we need to account for RP this week. We need to increase the defense of Malta and reinforce our East Asia campaign.
Here's the tally:
Please discuss.
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Post by gaplant on Dec 4, 2009 21:05:19 GMT -5
Plz give money for Malta reinforcement. =(
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Post by Kale on Dec 5, 2009 7:27:40 GMT -5
lol. Malta reinforcement is at the top of the list, along with Chris's oft-demanded Jukon. We just need to know what needs to be repaired and what should be budgeted.
EDIT: As an addendum, these are the non-infrastructure purchases I think are required at the moment.
Edit to Edit: I'll post a more condensed version of the following self-discussion in a reply to this post.
Ando Shoji - 365 RP ----------3 x Dopp @ 60 RP (Dragon) ----------3 x Dopp @ 60 RP (Stilva) ----------2 x Magella @ 40 RP (Stilva) ----------1 x flight support (Stilva) @ 100 RP Total - 260 RP
Alain Grace - 119 RP ----------5 x Dopp @ 100 RP (Excelsior) Total - 100 RP
Markos Steiner - 200 RP ----------2 x flight support @ 200 RP Total - 200 RP
----------Grand Total - 560 RP
This leaves us with 1779 RP between Malta and Manila.
Regarding my original post, I didn't realize how damaged the Excelsior was in its previous battle. I think it might be best just to have it get to Malta, instead of engage in any other maneuvers.
I do wonder: how much do we want the Baneblade Squadron dead? The Chicken Little is heavily damaged at this point, but the Excelsior isn't doing fantastic itself. And Ferdinand will have plenty of RP coming his way Monday. Do we think we should have the Stilva paradrop into the West Arctic and destroy Nigel Ferdinand instead of the Baneblade squadron? On the one hand, the Baneblade Squadron will be an incredible bitch to destroy at Belfast. On the other, the Excelsior is a prize I do not think any of us wants to lose.
Furthermore, after reading up on the ship damage rules, I guess the Morrigan can't get back to Central Asia on its own power. It'll have to do an emergency repair Monday, and move back to Central Asia Tuesday. I'm currently stationed on the Morrigan, and will do Overwatch Monday. Chris, can you board Morrigan and go Overwatch as well? Might give her a fighting chance during those repairs.
Finally, I guess I have to ask this question one more time: How valuable is Manila to us?
Let's say we threw many more resources into breaking the siege Tuesday. If on Monday, the Federation moved someone to SE Asia HQ and purchased a huge fleet there, and then spent Tuesday moving back to East Asia, on Wednesday they could simply lay siege to Manila again with a fresh fleet. Considering their vast advantage in resources, can we continue to hold them off past next week? And if not, would the RP and ships we're expending at Manila be better served building up for Belfast?
I don't want to abandon the region entirely, but I do worry. Especially if we could, instead of sending Dragon to Central Asia on Monday, have her attack the Baneblade Squadron, and have Stilva attack Nigel Ferdinand...
To be honest, thinking more about it, that would be my preferred scenario. Continue to put as little RP into East Asia as possible, since we know there's no way we can match the Federation in that region. But concentrate on ensuring A) Malta gets built up, B) Excelsior gets to Malta (with Nigel Ferdinand dead), and C)
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Post by Kale on Dec 5, 2009 9:24:34 GMT -5
(What was supposed to be) A condensed, alternative to the above. (Yay, lack of information!)
I worry about sending any more of our Gaws to East Asia. Excelsior is currently Damaged, while Dragon and Stilva have obstacles back in Europe that demand their attention.
Dragon should be attacking the Baneblade Squadron Monday. Those tanks are very high priority.
Excelsior seems to have been stopped in the West Arctic by Nigel Ferdinand. It's hard to tell, exactly; the site entry says its location is the West Arctic, and its action is Europe (Athens). So far as I know, it wouldn't list Athens if it were merely moving there, so Excelsior might actually be in Europe.
Either way, Ferdinand's ship, the Chicken Little, is heavily damaged in the West Arctic -- but he has enough RP to purchase flight support and possibly finish off Excelsior on Monday, if it is indeed in the West Arctic. Stilva could paradrop in, target the Chicken Little, and wipe it out, while the Excelsior makes for Malta.
Of course, if the Excelsior is in Europe, we could have it join up with the Dragon and attack the Baneblade Squadron instead. We'll just make sure to have it hold back, so it isn't destroyed in the fighting. And at the same time, we could possibly move Stilva into Central Asia as had been considered previously.
If we just go with taking out the Chicken Little and Baneblade, this would secure Europe, but at the cost of moving forces into East Asia. Two options spring to mind, if we end up going this route:
1) We bunker down and try to fight the East Asia battle with what we have available to us now. Realistically, we cannot combat the Federation in the spending battle. They have more men, get more RP per paycheck, and already have a fleet in East Asia -- whereas we have a heavily shelled base and a disabled Gaw, and people split between Africa, East Asia, and Europe. So we continue to try and do what we can with our PCs, while concentrating the majority of our RP into Europe and preparing for the eventual siege of Belfast.
2) We commit to the idea of having Excelsior, Stilva and Dragon defend Malta for the time being. Once they've succeeded in their operations Monday (if Stilva is, indeed, staying in Europe), they can all three move back to the base and provide exceptional defense (defense that could become offense at a moment's notice -- which is one plus, over spending tons of RP to load up Malta with add-ons and stationary guns). Then we use the majority of that 2000 RP mentioned previously to fund the East Asia war effort. We could transfer RP to Duncan Monday, and Tuesday have him carry out a one-Gaw (with fire support assisted) paradrop against what remains of the 187th Integrated Fleet, before they can reinforce it with more ships and fighter craft.
Even if Stilva ultimately turns to East Asia instead of escorting the Excelsior, and we just have Dragon and Excelsior moving to Malta for its defense, it may still be preferable to divert the majority of the 2000 RP into East Asia on Monday. Both because two Gaws seem like adequate defense for anything the Federation could challenge us with at Malta in the next four days, and because if Stilva + a new Duncan-purchased Gaw paradropped the 87th Integrated, it really would wipe them out completely on Tuesday. Still leaves the question of what happens Wednesday, and whether or not we can combat the Federation RP might, but it certainly gives us a better chance of holding them out of Manila for one more week...
As always, this is just me thinking out loud, and trying to facilitate a discussion amongst the officers. So please, do reply with comments and ideas =).
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Post by Kale on Dec 5, 2009 13:20:59 GMT -5
Got a confirmation from Ketara that Excelsior is in Europe. So we can proceed accordingly.
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Post by Zero on Dec 5, 2009 13:57:18 GMT -5
I had talked about it with Gap, and to get to North America from North Africa would take some working arounds anyways, so I might as well go there by way of East Asia because I don't like the idea of traveling right back to Europe after I just left Europe, and Draco says he'll stay and take RF-1 so the rest of us can do whatever we need to do. Now. I'm thinking Me, Ernest, and Naomi move out to East Asia on Monday (We should arrive there Tuesday, right?) and have MyTitan move up with us as soon as he arrives in North Africa.
Ernest Till is a Zaku II K and he'd be able to bombard the enemy ships, While Me & Titan were still planning on buying Dom's tomorrow, the rest of the RP we're really doing nothing with since we're ditching the Africa idea (Do to nothing really being there), so if you want, we can come to East Asia and help you guys out.
.....Now....I do have a semi-devious idea...If all of us (my guys) piled our money together and didn't buy anything else, we'd have 1,200 RP.
I could show up in East Asia and buy one of those, and use it to attack their fleet. It might be able to do some damage, but there is a matter of the pilot. Only 200RP to buying a pilot for it is kind of fail
.....If you could, and want to be super bad-ass, and we go with that plan, set 500RP aside and buy the Mobile Armor an Ace Pilot, and I'll turn it over to Chris as soon as I depart East Asia. Just seems like a pretty decent way of fucking their shit up.
Me and Ernest would also be the ones attacking the fleet, with Naomi and her Gouf's moving to provide more protectiong for Morrigan because I don't want to see the super awesome captain go boom.
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Post by Kale on Dec 5, 2009 14:26:07 GMT -5
Not to be ungrateful, because I definitely appreciate the assistance, but are we sure North Africa is secure? Thorvald and Jane are still in the territory, if not at RF-1.
Otherwise, we would love the help. Hopefully Chris and Matthew chime in soon, so we can figure out what all we need to budget and where.
I wonder if it's better to get the Grabro, or for you all to go ahead and purchase MS teams? As much as I love the idea of an ace mobile armor blowing away their fleet... singular, powerful, one-off weapons of mass destruction always seem to meet a less-than economical fate. Could the four Doms w/ L3 pilots you could buy with 1200 RP be a better investment, in the long run? Especially if you're going up against the White Base in North America soon?
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Post by Zero on Dec 5, 2009 14:59:26 GMT -5
It could possibly be indeed. Haha. I know I was getting a little ahead of my self with the Giant Mobile Armor of doom (It sounded like such a good plan).
As for North Africa, they're leaving. They broke free of RF-1 and we doubt they are going to stick around in North Africa long enough to finish repairing so that we can attack them. I know that Nader him self is apparently either heading to East Asia or Belfast, he said there was no point in him staying in Africa any more (Since they're just going to get harassed by the patrols and eventually fatigued) and I can imagine Blue Destiny is going to take off as well.
All in all, we can't have 5 players just idling around in the African desert waiting to see, and it's like I said, we are already going to be heading out to North America anyways. Just planned on stopping by in East Asia (Now with swarm of Doms instead of Mobile Armor) and do as much damage to their fleet as possible, with Naomi still standing guard over the Gaw.
I wouldn't mind having a team of Dom's m'self, but it's a matter of organizing what amount of RP goes where. Draco has a full MS Team, Naomi is only using Goufs and Gouf accessories (Also accepting Zaku II's, cause she's hardcore), Noelle has no MS Team, I need 2 MS To fill my team, Ernest needs 1 MS to fill his team.
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I'm not sure if Naomi would by a Dom into her MS team, so even then if we showed up in East Asia it'd be Me, 2 Dom's, a Zaku IIJ, Ernest, His MS, His Luggun, and a Dom + 3 Goufs.
So we'd have Dowdage Dom Dom Dom +Zaku IIK Shelling the fleet with 3 Goufs defending the ever loving shit out of Morrigan.
Then I suppose I'd just ship the remainder of the funds to MyTitan so he can start stocking his MS Team, he'll be coming right along behind us. Draco from what I remembered has opted to staying behind in North Africa for the time being in order to take RF-1 and/or deal with any stragglers.
The ultimate goal I have is to get MyTitan 3 Dom's in His MS Team. It'd cost 900RP for that, but would be hella effective I think. We can probably manage that next paycheck though. Ok lets seeee.
1,200: -Marko Dresner -400[2x] Dom -200[2x] Lvl 3 pilot --Total Cost: 600
-Ernest Til -200[1x] Dom -100[1x] Lvl 3 Pilot --300 Total
--MyTitan will just keep the RP he currently has.
I'll Transfer 100RP to Ernest and Naomi can transfer 100RP to Ernest, and that would cover this weeks purchases. Doesn't really leave with any money for purchasing support during the engagement though.
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Post by Kale on Dec 5, 2009 15:15:46 GMT -5
Well, we'll get you the RP for the support. Either that, or we'll try and see if we can get Stilva over to Central Asia during Monday's update. Or buy yet another Gaw. That way Duncan Keystone could paradrop in (not sure about the rules when it comes to paradropping his MA -- technically it is a ship dragging a mobile armor ^_^) and attack the fleet at the same time as you, with 2 x flight support @ 100 RP.
At this point, and I'd like to hear others' thoughts for sure, I'm in favor of this scenario:
1) We have Excelsior, Dragon and Stilva form a fleet Monday and attack the Baneblade Squadron. That way all three will be grouped if Nigel Ferdinand tries to paradrop in. The fleet buys 2 x air support, and lays waste to the tanks.
Following that, they head back to Malta for repairs and to provide for its defense.
2) We send a cursory amount of RP to Malta to repair its facilities this week. With the three Gaws stationed there, I imagine it's going to be fine for one more paycheck cycle. The action really is in East Asia.
3) Part of the 2339 RP (assuming we can gather it all) is transferred to Duncan Keystone on Monday. He uses that to buy 1 x Gaw, 1 x L3 captain, 8 x Dopp, and 2 x flight support on Tuesday. The rest can go into a savings fund for Marina's Jukon.
4) Duncan Keystone paradrops the 87th Integrated Fleet with a single mission: absolute devastation. With that number of Dopps, and the Gaw's power and not-being-fscked-up compared to their fleet, they will be trashed almost without question.
On the same day, the Africa Korps guys (having moved into East Asia Monday) attack the Black Hawk. We have Manila sally forth, and combined, you all should absolutely crush the land ship.
Following the breaking of their siege, the East Asia defenders who can will scurry into Manila. Chris will purchase his Jukon if he can. Maybe we could even try and get the Morrigan into Manila instead of up to Central Asia. We'd do the same with Duncan's new Gaw.
While I appreciate the assistance with the Morrigan, I don't know if it's in too much trouble just yet. It can do emergency repairs (I assume) Monday, while Chris and I Overwatch. Since there aren't any able bodied Federation PCs to attack us Monday, we should be alright. Tuesday, we can order it right back across the border into Central Asia. If it does get attacked by the one eligible PC (Aurem) that might actually be for the better. We'd draw her away from the land battleship, and make it all that easier for you to destroy.
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Post by Zero on Dec 5, 2009 15:31:52 GMT -5
Well, I was suggesting Naomi go with the Morrigan because her Goufs aren't going to be of much use in the water, ya know.
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Post by Chris on Dec 5, 2009 16:04:40 GMT -5
All of this planning happened while I was drunk? o.O oh god I love you guys...
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Post by Zero on Dec 5, 2009 16:43:58 GMT -5
Well, I need to know by sunday night/monday morning if this is what we are doing so I can send out an email to the people formerly of the Afrika Korps and inform that about what all needs to be done and such.
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Post by Chris on Dec 5, 2009 19:18:31 GMT -5
I vote we don't invest too much more into this base, we break this siege, force them to spend more of their RP, as soon as siege is broken, we book it for Central Asia?
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Post by Zero on Dec 5, 2009 19:26:14 GMT -5
I'm not investing alot in the siege, more or less, taking 1 more day on route to North America. My plan was just to stop in and give you some aid in breaking the siege before we continued on to North America. Gap talked to me on IRC and said that since there was no point in us being in Africa, we should be moving to North America to prepare for operations against White Base, so that's basically what we're doing.
Stopping in East Asia was my idea, because it was either depressingly get no VP for this effort of moving, or go to East Asia, take an extra day of traveling, and help blow some stuff up. I decided on helping blow stuff up.
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Post by Kale on Dec 5, 2009 20:50:30 GMT -5
Heh. I woke up at like 9 or 10 this morning and was stranded at a buddy's house until I could get back to Lexington.
The thing is, I think it's better if you (or all but one of you) attacked the Big Tray instead of the fleet itself. Since we'll be dropping in an incredible amount of air support with Duncan, those two Hillocks and the Medea should disappear in a matter of moments. However, if we don't take care of the Big Tray, we still don't break the siege -- and since you all have been primarily land-based units up until this point, I think it'd be better to point you towards the land battleship and try to blow that thing to hell. Naomi would be more than capable of functioning against that fleet.
Like I said, I doubt we could fight the Federation here indefinitely, considering their staggering RP advantage. So pulling out to Central Asia might not be a bad idea at all. Especially if we can get Morrigan and (if we purchase it) this new Gaw back up to Odessa. The paradropping thing is basically the one huge advantage we've got on the Federation at the moment -- saved our asses once, and I think it can continue to be extremely valuable.
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