Post by flippmoke on Jan 17, 2010 13:24:06 GMT -5
ZGMF Week 10 - 9th Fleet Reorganization (Monday)
After some conversation the officers have decided upon a set of tentative (in details) but likely (in structure) plans of what, in fact, we are doing Monday.
As originally posted by Kale:
- Given the amount of damage Des Mielle has done to our mining operations, using Apsalus II against the RF-3 has my sound off.
It's also nice to see Yuji making posts on the regular Zeon forums. I don't know if you talked to him, or what, but it's a good start.
Hopefully, now, the rogues don't respond to his post by moving out of RF-3. If the African Union leaves RF-3, I suggest diverting Apsalus II to any of the other targets I've previously listed.
- I agree with the Dodai II idea, to fill support slots. It might also be worth purchasing L2 or L3 pilots for those Dodai II, just so they're not a bottleneck against PC experience.
- Hirsch and Gano won't be an issue until Day 2. Archer will certainly be hitting us Day 1, based on Zero's information. Chances are the Federation will paradrop Archer in with either fighters or snipers. Snipers could weaken our Gaws on Day 1, and leave us vulnerable to a more deadly encounter on Day 2.
- I also disagree with splitting the 9th Combined into an attack force and patrol fleet. Too risky, for too little chance at reward. If we're splitting up our forces, it needs to be for a larger benefit...
- Speaking of larger benefit. I am returning to the opinion that hitting both fleets, simultaneously, on Monday is the best of our options. Two fleets means at least one will not be engaged by Archer, and both could field a superior number of aircraft, without keeping us in South America another day.
This is going to require a lot of number crunching, but please bear with me.
Step 1) Rhett Paruta and Persephone Dawn and Noelle Everett (w/ MS Teams) leave the 9th Combined Operations Fleet.
- Persephone Dawn purchases 1 x L3 Dodai II and 1 x L2 Dodai II for MS team. (203 - 150 - 50 = 19 RP remaining.)
- Noelle Everett purchases 3 x L3 Dopp for MS Team. (450 - 300 - 54 = 96 RP remaining.)
- Rhett Paruta retains his team.
Effect: This gives us 2 more airborne MS, frees up 3 MS spots in fleet, gets Rhett out of support slots, and gives us 3 additional L3 Dopps.
Step 2) 9th Combined Operations Fleet splits into Fleet 1 and Fleet 2.
- Fleet 1 consists of Dragon + Schmerz + Swiss Miss.
- FLeet 2 consists of Stilva + Liger + Sammy.
Effect: Each fleet gets 6 vehicle support slots, and 3 MS support slots.
Step 3) Empty slots on fleets...
- Fleet 1 has Dragon (4 MS, 2 aircraft open), Schmerz (3 MS, 3 aircraft open), and Support (3 MS, 5 aircraft)
- Fleet 2 has Stilva (4 MS, 0 aircraft open), Liger (0 MS, 0 aircraft open), and Support (3 MS, 6 aircraft)
Step 4) Purchases for Fleet 1...
- Duncan Keystone purchases 1 x L3 Xamel (525 - 500 = 25 RP) and 1 x Dodai II (25 - 25 = 0 RP) for MS team on Schmerz.
- Ferusha Glavadeen purchases 2 x L3 Dodai II (875 - 250 = 625 RP) for MS team on Schmerz.
- Ando Shoji purchases 5 x Dopp (296 - 90 RP = 196 RP) for Fleet 1 Support.
- Ando Shoji purchases 2 x Dopp (196 - 36 = 160 RP) for Dragon.
- Schmerz has 1 MS slot open, Dragon has 4 MS slots open, Support has 3 MS slots open.
Step 5) Purchases for Fleet 2...
- Ando Shoji purchases 6 x Dopp (160 - 90 = 50 RP) for Fleet 2 Support.
- Stilva has 4 MS slots open, and Support has 3 MS slots open.
Step 6) Attack
- Fleet 1 attacks Matilda.
- Fleet 2 attacks Woody w/ Rhett and Noelle and Persephone.
This would be the makeup of both attack forces...
... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand... I think that's about that. Either force is more than capable of taking their respective targets. Even if one of them gets paradropped on Monday, numbers should still be on our side. Our aircraft are more numerous, and we've got a ton of airborne MS now to take care of interferences. Our ground forces are also beefed, and between Infantry and Tanks and MS, we should be able to provide fire support, as well as recon support to take down any MS they drop in, and take down snipers.
If we're concerned about their ground forces, it'd be nice if we could purchase a handful of L2 or L3 Doms for the respective fleets.
In terms of strategy, I think both fleets would follow the same basic premise: use tanks and infantry and Doms to scout for Federation ground MS, put larger MS like Hildolfr and Xamels and Rhinocerous on fire support, and send out aircraft and airborne MS and Gaws to engage the supply fleets. In the case of Fleet 1, the only difference will be that Ritter is going to board Matilda's Medea to capture. Simple, and should be able to respond to any forces Archer drops in.
After Monday, we could hightail it back to North America. Even if they send a large force against either fleet on Tuesday, we'll be on the run. It's easier to retreat against a large force, than it is to attempt to conduct a large strike against the second supply fleet while getting attacked by said large force.
The only drawback to this plan, in my opinion, is that it's more complicated. It'd require a communications effort on par with the Combined Operations Combat Korps. If we do this, it needs to be decided upon tonight, and communicated to the regular Zeon by tomorrow morning. Word of mouth and double checking to make sure emails are sent in will be important.
That's my long, long 2 cents.
Please look over this plan and report any changes you'd like to be made in this thread, thanks!
If you want the AU off your backs, just try paying them more than the EFGF is offering them. He talks a big game, but since he is a mercenary, money ultimately speaks a lot louder than words.
Plus, I think it's fairly obvious where he'll be focusing most of his attention now that the mines are gone - Kimberite's not going to fall very easily since it's underground and would be a bitch to find/scout, and Alexandria has a good NPC commander.
If you want the AU off your backs, just try paying them more than the EFGF is offering them. He talks a big game, but since he is a mercenary, money ultimately speaks a lot louder than words.
Plus, I think it's fairly obvious where he'll be focusing most of his attention now that the mines are gone - Kimberite's not going to fall very easily since it's underground and would be a bitch to find/scout, and Alexandria has a good NPC commander.
They have a suitcase nuke, which spells trouble for Kimberlite. =(
And it's true we haven't discussed the possibility of "paying him more," but it doesn't take much longer than a few seconds of glancing at his character profile to realize that there is zero chance we can pay him anything as long as there are Zeon "invaders" in Africa.
ilu frenzy
Can I buy Zakus or some random junk to fill in the Open MS slots? I like the idea of Zakus just laying machine gun and bazooka fire into the air while just getting more ammo from the samson and dobday
(I will show you in chatzor since we are PMing at this very moment.)
Sounds good to me. I think it's unlikely the Federation will be able to field a considerable number of ground MS on Monday. Archer has 600 RP. At best, he can paradrop in an L1 Medea with 2 x flight services and 1 GM (probably an L3). Or he can forget the Medea, and purchase 2 x GM Sniper or just 2 x flight services, or one of both. So Doms and tanks would be capable of scouting for snipers, and some Zakus near the Schmerz would provide some nice perimeter defense.
Thanks for reposting that, Matthew. Later today, if people give the thumbs up to this plan, I'll make a quick secondary post with a quick outline of what each person would be asked to do Monday to pull this off. Would you mind sending out a mass email to the 9th members, to ensure everyone's on the same page?
Okay, it will be scrapped if theres any problem with it, but I'll be purchasing a Lv2 ZakuII-J, and a Lv3 ZakuII-K for the MS Support slots in Fleet 1 Support.
I'll be departing the fleet after and using them in my MS Team if they don't die, so I see no reason not to purchase them for the battle and put them to use early.
Or he can forget the Medea, and purchase 2 x GM Sniper or just 2 x flight services, or one of both.
Medea is needed for the paradrop action.
Sounds good to me. I think it's unlikely they'll be able to field a considerable number of ground MS on Monday. Archer has 600 RP. At best, he can paradrop in an L1 Medea with 2 x flight services and 1 GM (probably an L3). Or he can forget the Medea, and purchase 2 x GM Sniper or just 2 x flight services, or one of both. So Doms and tanks would be capable of scouting for snipers, and some Zakus near the Schmerz would provide some nice perimeter defense.
Thanks for reposting that, Matthew. Later today, if people give the thumbs up to this plan, I'll make a quick secondary post with a quick outline of what each person would be asked to do Monday to pull this off. Would you mind sending out a mass email to the 9th members, to ensure everyone's on the same page?
E-mail has been sent!
Sweetness. I was assuming that since he was a fighter pilot, he could just paradrop on his lonesome. If he needs a ship to do it, that limits him slightly. He can purchase an L1 Medea with 2 x GM Sniper services. Or an L1 Medea with 2 x flight support services and 1 x L3 GM, or an L1 Medea with 1 x flight support and 1 x GM Sniper and 1 x L2 GM.
Thanks again Matthew. What do you plan to call the two new fleets, so that I can include their names in the logistics post?
It would seem that based on our intel they intend to "utilize stuff" to "make it harder for the Zeeks to destroy the supply fleet."
I'M GLAD THEY AREN'T BEING VAGUE.
I'm open to ideas, but how about:
"5th Combined Operations Fleet"
"4th Combined Operations Fleet"
Because 5+4=9! I can't take the credit though, Dan's idea.
Any name involving "Invincible Task Force" is also something I can get behind.
I'd be so game for calling them the 5th and 4th Invincible Task Forces.
Sweetness. I was assuming that since he was a fighter pilot, he could just paradrop on his lonesome. If he needs a ship to do it, that limits him slightly. He can purchase an L1 Medea with 2 x GM Sniper services. Or an L1 Medea with 2 x flight support services and 1 x L3 GM, or an L1 Medea with 1 x flight support and 1 x GM Sniper and 1 x L2 GM.
There is another option open to him, but it's kind of a massive exploit so I won't post it here.
I'd be so game for calling them the 5th and 4th Invincible Task Forces.
Man this is SO my vote.
Here's a preliminary outline of what each player (in alphabetical order) who needs to send new stuff in Monday would have to submit for the plan to go through. Please take a look-see, to make sure I didn't miss anything, and then I'll add it to its own independent post so nobody overlooks it.
Aldo P. Armistad
- Have Sammy join the 4th Invincible Task Force.
Ando Shoji
- Disband the 9th Combined Operations Fleet.
- Have Dragon form the 5th Invincible Task Force w/ Schmerz and Swiss Miss and the Luggun from 9th Combined Operations Fleet (in Support).
- Have Stilva form the 4th Invincible Task Force w/ Liger and Sammy.
- Purchase 5 x Dopp (296 - 90 = 196 RP) for Support of 5th Invincible Task Force.
- Purchase 2 x Dopp (196 - 36 = 160 RP) for Dragon.
- Purchase 6 x Dopp (160 - 90 = 50 RP) for Support of 4th Invincible Task Force.
- Have 5th Invincible Task Force attack EFGF 1st Resupply Fleet.
- Have 4th Invincible Task Force attack EFGF 2nd Resupply Fleet.
Ferusha Glavadeen
- Purchase 2 x L3 Dodai II (875 - 25 - 25 - 200 = 625 RP) for MS team on Schmerz.
Noelle Everett
- Leave the 9th Combined Operations Fleet.
- Purchase 3 x L3 Dopps (450 - 18 - 18 - 18 - 100 - 100 - 100 = 96 RP)
- Attack the EFGF 2nd Resupply Fleet.
Persephone Dawn
- Leave the 9th Combined Operations Fleet.
- Purchase 1 x Dodai II w/ L3 pilot and 1 x Dodai II w/ L2 pilot (203 - 25 - 25 - 100 - 50 = 3 RP)
- Attack the EFGF 2nd Resupply Fleet.
Rhett Paruta
- Leave the 9th Combined Operations Fleet.
- Have Swiss Miss join the 5th Invincible Task Force.
- Attack the EFGF 2nd Resupply Fleet.
Ritter Novosad
- Have Schmerz join the 5th Invincible Task Force.
- Purchase 1 x L2 Zaku II J and 1 x L3 Zaku II K (275 - 49 - 67 - 50 - 100 = 9 RP) for Support of 5th Invincible Task Force.
Duncan Keystone
- Purchase 1 x L3 Xamel and 1 x Dodai II for MS Team (525 - 500 - 25 = 0 RP) aboard Schmerz.
As stated before, we could/probably should purchase a few more MS for the fleets. 4th, especially, since it'll have fewer MS aboard for protection on Tuesday since Persephone and Noelle are exiting Stilva. They can always reboard Stilva Tuesday (I imagine aircraft losses will be significant enough that the extra slots will open up to bring them in), but better safe than sorry.
If we do purchase additional MS, I believe we should shoot for Doms if at all possible. According to their individual shop page, they don't suffer severe penalties in arctic climates. So if we plan to move against New Amsterdam at any point, they're a worthwhile investment.
I should note -- I realize some of these purchase are not glamorous, but will still be expensive. Anything added to MS teams in this plan can be transferred back to ships, once we return to North America, and a new thread will be going up soon asking people what they ultimately want for their MS teams. That way, with the massive purchases we'll be making in the coming weeks, we can start getting people the real units they want for their teams.
EDIT: Going back over my original post from the officers' board, it looks like there aren't Doms in the 5th Fleet. Not really an issue, considering the high VP our NPCs possess. But if we're worried, wouldn't hurt to get them another MS or two.
Okay, so Monday I am e-mailing to leave the fleet, purchase 2 Dodai IIs (Levels 3 and 2), and attacking the 2nd Resupply fleet?
Yep, yep.
A question as fire support in the Hildolfr. I have the optional ammunition for my main cannon. Looking at the possible ammo, should I send in an email saying I'll be using the Armor Piercing Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot type? I researched and that would be best for anti-aircraft seeing as it is high-velocity. Or, would it not really matter for the writers/outcome of the battle?
As originally posted by Kale:
It's also nice to see Yuji making posts on the regular Zeon forums. I don't know if you talked to him, or what, but it's a good start.
Hopefully, now, the rogues don't respond to his post by moving out of RF-3. If the African Union leaves RF-3, I suggest diverting Apsalus II to any of the other targets I've previously listed.
- I agree with the Dodai II idea, to fill support slots. It might also be worth purchasing L2 or L3 pilots for those Dodai II, just so they're not a bottleneck against PC experience.
- Hirsch and Gano won't be an issue until Day 2. Archer will certainly be hitting us Day 1, based on Zero's information. Chances are the Federation will paradrop Archer in with either fighters or snipers. Snipers could weaken our Gaws on Day 1, and leave us vulnerable to a more deadly encounter on Day 2.
- I also disagree with splitting the 9th Combined into an attack force and patrol fleet. Too risky, for too little chance at reward. If we're splitting up our forces, it needs to be for a larger benefit...
- Speaking of larger benefit. I am returning to the opinion that hitting both fleets, simultaneously, on Monday is the best of our options. Two fleets means at least one will not be engaged by Archer, and both could field a superior number of aircraft, without keeping us in South America another day.
This is going to require a lot of number crunching, but please bear with me.
Step 1) Rhett Paruta and Persephone Dawn and Noelle Everett (w/ MS Teams) leave the 9th Combined Operations Fleet.
- Persephone Dawn purchases 1 x L3 Dodai II and 1 x L2 Dodai II for MS team. (203 - 150 - 50 = 19 RP remaining.)
- Noelle Everett purchases 3 x L3 Dopp for MS Team. (450 - 300 - 54 = 96 RP remaining.)
- Rhett Paruta retains his team.
Effect: This gives us 2 more airborne MS, frees up 3 MS spots in fleet, gets Rhett out of support slots, and gives us 3 additional L3 Dopps.
Step 2) 9th Combined Operations Fleet splits into Fleet 1 and Fleet 2.
- Fleet 1 consists of Dragon + Schmerz + Swiss Miss.
- FLeet 2 consists of Stilva + Liger + Sammy.
Effect: Each fleet gets 6 vehicle support slots, and 3 MS support slots.
Step 3) Empty slots on fleets...
- Fleet 1 has Dragon (4 MS, 2 aircraft open), Schmerz (3 MS, 3 aircraft open), and Support (3 MS, 5 aircraft)
- Fleet 2 has Stilva (4 MS, 0 aircraft open), Liger (0 MS, 0 aircraft open), and Support (3 MS, 6 aircraft)
Step 4) Purchases for Fleet 1...
- Duncan Keystone purchases 1 x L3 Xamel (525 - 500 = 25 RP) and 1 x Dodai II (25 - 25 = 0 RP) for MS team on Schmerz.
- Ferusha Glavadeen purchases 2 x L3 Dodai II (875 - 250 = 625 RP) for MS team on Schmerz.
- Ando Shoji purchases 5 x Dopp (296 - 90 RP = 196 RP) for Fleet 1 Support.
- Ando Shoji purchases 2 x Dopp (196 - 36 = 160 RP) for Dragon.
- Schmerz has 1 MS slot open, Dragon has 4 MS slots open, Support has 3 MS slots open.
Step 5) Purchases for Fleet 2...
- Ando Shoji purchases 6 x Dopp (160 - 90 = 50 RP) for Fleet 2 Support.
- Stilva has 4 MS slots open, and Support has 3 MS slots open.
Step 6) Attack
- Fleet 1 attacks Matilda.
- Fleet 2 attacks Woody w/ Rhett and Noelle and Persephone.
This would be the makeup of both attack forces...
... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand... I think that's about that. Either force is more than capable of taking their respective targets. Even if one of them gets paradropped on Monday, numbers should still be on our side. Our aircraft are more numerous, and we've got a ton of airborne MS now to take care of interferences. Our ground forces are also beefed, and between Infantry and Tanks and MS, we should be able to provide fire support, as well as recon support to take down any MS they drop in, and take down snipers.
If we're concerned about their ground forces, it'd be nice if we could purchase a handful of L2 or L3 Doms for the respective fleets.
In terms of strategy, I think both fleets would follow the same basic premise: use tanks and infantry and Doms to scout for Federation ground MS, put larger MS like Hildolfr and Xamels and Rhinocerous on fire support, and send out aircraft and airborne MS and Gaws to engage the supply fleets. In the case of Fleet 1, the only difference will be that Ritter is going to board Matilda's Medea to capture. Simple, and should be able to respond to any forces Archer drops in.
After Monday, we could hightail it back to North America. Even if they send a large force against either fleet on Tuesday, we'll be on the run. It's easier to retreat against a large force, than it is to attempt to conduct a large strike against the second supply fleet while getting attacked by said large force.
The only drawback to this plan, in my opinion, is that it's more complicated. It'd require a communications effort on par with the Combined Operations Combat Korps. If we do this, it needs to be decided upon tonight, and communicated to the regular Zeon by tomorrow morning. Word of mouth and double checking to make sure emails are sent in will be important.
That's my long, long 2 cents.
Please look over this plan and report any changes you'd like to be made in this thread, thanks!
Plus, I think it's fairly obvious where he'll be focusing most of his attention now that the mines are gone - Kimberite's not going to fall very easily since it's underground and would be a bitch to find/scout, and Alexandria has a good NPC commander.
Plus, I think it's fairly obvious where he'll be focusing most of his attention now that the mines are gone - Kimberite's not going to fall very easily since it's underground and would be a bitch to find/scout, and Alexandria has a good NPC commander.
They have a suitcase nuke, which spells trouble for Kimberlite. =(
And it's true we haven't discussed the possibility of "paying him more," but it doesn't take much longer than a few seconds of glancing at his character profile to realize that there is zero chance we can pay him anything as long as there are Zeon "invaders" in Africa.
ilu frenzy
(I will show you in chatzor since we are PMing at this very moment.)
Thanks for reposting that, Matthew. Later today, if people give the thumbs up to this plan, I'll make a quick secondary post with a quick outline of what each person would be asked to do Monday to pull this off. Would you mind sending out a mass email to the 9th members, to ensure everyone's on the same page?
I'll be departing the fleet after and using them in my MS Team if they don't die, so I see no reason not to purchase them for the battle and put them to use early.
Medea is needed for the paradrop action.
Thanks for reposting that, Matthew. Later today, if people give the thumbs up to this plan, I'll make a quick secondary post with a quick outline of what each person would be asked to do Monday to pull this off. Would you mind sending out a mass email to the 9th members, to ensure everyone's on the same page?
E-mail has been sent!
I'M GLAD THEY AREN'T BEING VAGUE.
"5th Combined Operations Fleet"
"4th Combined Operations Fleet"
Because 5+4=9! I can't take the credit though, Dan's idea.
Any name involving "Invincible Task Force" is also something I can get behind.
There is another option open to him, but it's kind of a massive exploit so I won't post it here.
Man this is SO my vote.
Aldo P. Armistad
- Have Sammy join the 4th Invincible Task Force.
Ando Shoji
- Disband the 9th Combined Operations Fleet.
- Have Dragon form the 5th Invincible Task Force w/ Schmerz and Swiss Miss and the Luggun from 9th Combined Operations Fleet (in Support).
- Have Stilva form the 4th Invincible Task Force w/ Liger and Sammy.
- Purchase 5 x Dopp (296 - 90 = 196 RP) for Support of 5th Invincible Task Force.
- Purchase 2 x Dopp (196 - 36 = 160 RP) for Dragon.
- Purchase 6 x Dopp (160 - 90 = 50 RP) for Support of 4th Invincible Task Force.
- Have 5th Invincible Task Force attack EFGF 1st Resupply Fleet.
- Have 4th Invincible Task Force attack EFGF 2nd Resupply Fleet.
Ferusha Glavadeen
- Purchase 2 x L3 Dodai II (875 - 25 - 25 - 200 = 625 RP) for MS team on Schmerz.
Noelle Everett
- Leave the 9th Combined Operations Fleet.
- Purchase 3 x L3 Dopps (450 - 18 - 18 - 18 - 100 - 100 - 100 = 96 RP)
- Attack the EFGF 2nd Resupply Fleet.
Persephone Dawn
- Leave the 9th Combined Operations Fleet.
- Purchase 1 x Dodai II w/ L3 pilot and 1 x Dodai II w/ L2 pilot (203 - 25 - 25 - 100 - 50 = 3 RP)
- Attack the EFGF 2nd Resupply Fleet.
Rhett Paruta
- Leave the 9th Combined Operations Fleet.
- Have Swiss Miss join the 5th Invincible Task Force.
- Attack the EFGF 2nd Resupply Fleet.
Ritter Novosad
- Have Schmerz join the 5th Invincible Task Force.
- Purchase 1 x L2 Zaku II J and 1 x L3 Zaku II K (275 - 49 - 67 - 50 - 100 = 9 RP) for Support of 5th Invincible Task Force.
Duncan Keystone
- Purchase 1 x L3 Xamel and 1 x Dodai II for MS Team (525 - 500 - 25 = 0 RP) aboard Schmerz.
As stated before, we could/probably should purchase a few more MS for the fleets. 4th, especially, since it'll have fewer MS aboard for protection on Tuesday since Persephone and Noelle are exiting Stilva. They can always reboard Stilva Tuesday (I imagine aircraft losses will be significant enough that the extra slots will open up to bring them in), but better safe than sorry.
If we do purchase additional MS, I believe we should shoot for Doms if at all possible. According to their individual shop page, they don't suffer severe penalties in arctic climates. So if we plan to move against New Amsterdam at any point, they're a worthwhile investment.
I should note -- I realize some of these purchase are not glamorous, but will still be expensive. Anything added to MS teams in this plan can be transferred back to ships, once we return to North America, and a new thread will be going up soon asking people what they ultimately want for their MS teams. That way, with the massive purchases we'll be making in the coming weeks, we can start getting people the real units they want for their teams.
EDIT: Going back over my original post from the officers' board, it looks like there aren't Doms in the 5th Fleet. Not really an issue, considering the high VP our NPCs possess. But if we're worried, wouldn't hurt to get them another MS or two.