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Post by on Feb 10, 2010 14:54:41 GMT -5
Since I know little what the officer are planning can you guys say it in this thread so we can discuss it?
From what I read from the 'ZGMF - Week 12 - Day 3 Orders (Thursday)' thread Chris and Gaplant are not working together and plan to take out fortresses alone without the help of the other division and are doing some kind of draft pick for MAF members. I hope to god this isn't true.
(The draft pick was a joke based on the fact Chris demanded he gets the Hildorf if Gaplant gets the Cloud)
I'm hoping you guys realize both of them are fortresses with War Factories and will require a large force to take them over. The cost of separate battles is not worth it. If you can steamroll a base combined then by all means do it and lower the cost of lost units during the battle to Zeon. The targets are good but you guys defiantly shouldn't do it separately.
I'm drinking and delaying writing about the characteristics from the Late Gothic Period. But please, explain your choices. You two don't need to hold hands and hell can even attack as part of two fleets.
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Post by deadguydrew on Feb 10, 2010 16:24:22 GMT -5
I'm not sure if this is the case, but I second the sentiment. If I recall correctly the reason there was a split in the forces initially is because there was contention in overall goals. I understand this, and even support it, but as far as I was aware we were still planning on taking Belfast, and other major bases together.
As Brad said, bases with war factories, particularly of the caliber of Belfast, need to be taken with all of our forces. I doubt that Belfast would fall to either of our individual forces, but even if it would, it would cost more overall for one fleet to try taking Belfast, than both fleets. Also this would increase the likelihood of having to try taking the base twice, which gives it an opportunity to be reinforced, etc. That will cost even more.
The point I'm trying to make is that attempting to take either base, separately, seems to be a poor strategic decision.
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Post by Spade on Feb 10, 2010 18:41:11 GMT -5
Though I still think we'd be able to divide the forces to attack both strongholds, with MUCH PLANNING (don't assume I think it will be a cakewalk), if the officers decide to combine and attack one, so be it. I, on the other hand still feel confident in our PC's planning to be able to pull off such a feat as striking both bases. Anyways, I threw together my input, once we decide to do with that, we'll go from there and you'll hear more of my 2 cents.
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Post by Kale on Feb 10, 2010 18:55:12 GMT -5
I agree with the combined assaults, unless a convincing purchase and personnel outline that gives us a reasonable shot at both bases is drawn up. Hopefully we'll work on just that in the officers forum, and have something up asap. Or if that clearly ain't working, go for the combined attack.
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Post by MyTitan on Feb 10, 2010 19:21:53 GMT -5
I am just an instrument of semi-destruction. Though dieing would suck.
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Post by ender on Feb 10, 2010 20:49:47 GMT -5
I completely forgot that both bases had War Factories when I was bringing up my issues with splitting the attacks between the two divisions. That just further drives the point home that we need to bring out the COCK again.
At this point, if we wanted to split the forces to take them, we're not in a position, resource wise, to do so. We'd need to save up, and that would give valuable time to the Feddies to fortify. Let's not lose the momentum we already have because the SS and TAF officers want to go after different goals.
We have one together: Destroy the Federation. If we can push them out of Europe, and hold it all for Zeon, we'd have more Side RP coming our way, and if we can preserve the war factory while capturing the base, we have that much more.
We can't do it alone, and truly need a cunning plan to get the most effect with minimal damage to the war factory.
Let's hit Belfast fast and hard, and not let the Feddies a chance to regroup. Mission Priority should be:
1.) Belfast
2.) Torrington (take out/Capture the Feddie nuclear stockpile)
3.) New Delhi.
Just from what I see, we hit them in that order, we'll really be in the position to just steamroll the EFGF as a whole, and secure the Earth Sphere so that the enemy will realize that their continued fight isn't worth it.
As was said by Drew in the Re: 08th MS Team thread, let's not take the 1000 RP payoff. Get rid of them, and hold onto their mobile suits for Zeon R&D. That's more valuable for us than just a quick pay off.
Especially since 1000 RP is the Feddies low-balling us.
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Post by Chris on Feb 10, 2010 20:58:34 GMT -5
Torrington is not even on my radar right now... sorry, but you can go head and move New Delhi above that... and for me New Delhi is higher priority than Belfast cuz its all that stands between us and owning White Base's path to Odessa...
and our momentum is pretty much there BECAUSE the SS and TAF Officers went after different goals, and were able to do so successfully..
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Post by Kale on Feb 10, 2010 21:00:48 GMT -5
On a happier note, the 08th MS team is being measured for pine boxes.
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Post by Spade on Feb 10, 2010 21:31:41 GMT -5
While you guys do bring up a good point in why combining to take out the bases one after another, I think that having two forces will also keep the pressure on the Federation soldiers. With this pressure, they'll be rushed and hurried to make counter-measure plans and will leave them with more chance to slip up. While we may have be able to strike one base with one big fleet, that leaves us kind of open as far as where we are. They have more chances to attack other places and more chance to just corner us and attack us all at once.
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Post by Frenzy on Feb 10, 2010 21:48:52 GMT -5
Two independant forces work, but you'll need to coordinate when it comes to hitting the fortresses themselves.
More bodies in the attack + More ships = higher rate of success.
You may also want to take out those Big Trays they have.
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Post by ender on Feb 10, 2010 21:50:21 GMT -5
I was just saying my priority list, based on what the Feddies have, and what we don't. Yes, the Antarctic treaty is in effect, but at the same time, we can dictate those terms from there.
Yes, New Delhi is important because of Odessa, but completely taking over Australia brings in all the more Side RP for us, which is important in the long run. That's why I view Torrington as a prime target. I'll go with what the Officers say, but at the same time, I am wanting to increase what threats we can control.
Taking over Torrington means we control all legitimate nukes in the game, and then the only nuclear threat comes from Rogues, and worst case scenario, we could set the Torrington nukes to self-destruct the base should it look like we're gonna lose it.
And I do agree with you, Spade, that the split force does mean that the Feddies will be kept unsure of how to make things, but we need more resources to build up the two separate fleets to really be able to threaten both fortresses at the same time.
I'm not saying actually combine the two fleets permanently, I'm just saying they all move in on the same target, and then split up again in different directions.
And I do like the 08th MS Team Pine Boxes. Now we just have to take a look at those Gundams, and we can start applying the luna titanium and better reactors to our suits >_>
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Post by kuriboh on Feb 10, 2010 21:50:32 GMT -5
I'd take New Dehli ASAP - Odessa is inherently EFF-favoured, so any leg up on that front can and will help immensely.
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Post by Zero on Feb 10, 2010 21:50:51 GMT -5
You guys also have to, as I pointed out in the officer discussion, keep in mind that by splitting our forces the Federation Fleet and PC's would not be able to be 100% present at any one attack. If we combine and attack a base, we'd be facing all of the Federation PC's and their assets, and tossing all of our eggs into one basket. So, say we all grouped up and hit Belfast, that means we'd have the Belfast defenses to contend with AND the PC federation force to contend with at the same time.
Where as if we hit Belfast and New Delhi at the same time, they can't send their full force to any one location.
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Post by Spade on Feb 10, 2010 21:57:31 GMT -5
Yes, bigger fleet = better chance. Like I was saying though, we need to do this as if we were fighting a dragon. We need to hit the soft underbelly. just apply to Mobile Suit warfare.
If you take New Delhi, for example, you'll see that they have a majority of their numbers in Type 61 tanks and the Jet Core Boosters. However, that's nothing to be too afraid of as we've taken on a large force with overwhelming odds before (the 77th back in SA). Yes we lost, but that was because we were recovering from our attack on the Supply Fleets. This time, we will be at 100% fighting strength (if things go well). What we will have to do is something similar to New Amsterdam. We should draw the EFGF forces OUT of their own base and closer to us, where we can get a handle on things much easier than just charging. There won't be too much worry about Blue Destiny since he won't/shouldn't be there. If we could apply the same thought planning as we did into taking New Amsterdam, we could pull this off without everyone's worry of major casualties.
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Post by ender on Feb 10, 2010 21:58:24 GMT -5
But we won't have our full forces to deal with the War Factories and heavy defenses. Of all the bases we've attacked and destroyed, they haven't had the defenses that these fortresses each have. I just don't think each fleet alone has the manpower to really stand up against those.
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